At 2/23/23 12:56 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:[Starts with CS or Photoshop opened up]
Hey guys today I'm going to show you, How to draw properly, Now first to start it off, You need to use references, And cut the thing to basic shapes
[Proceeds to already draw some weird ass shape and and a complicated body in seconds without any reference]
Ok the trick here to draw goodlines is too zoom in
[Proceeds to draw the damn thing in really good and quick proper lines not even touching the zoom button]
Ok but you also shouldn't zoom in to draw faster
Mistakes are ok!
[Flawlessly draws said mech and is already on the part of drawing an anime girl driving the thing]
Try out different brushes
[Uses the same damn brush]
Thank you for watching my video, And hopefully you have gathered something along the way!
[Already completes a literal master piece]

While I'm sitting my ass tryna draw proper circles and lines on far away only for them to end up wobbly.

At 2/23/23 02:25 PM, Acfusion wrote:

At 2/23/23 12:56 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:[Starts with CS or Photoshop opened up]
Hey guys today I'm going to show you, How to draw properly, Now first to start it off, You need to use references, And cut the thing to basic shapes
[Proceeds to already draw some weird ass shape and and a complicated body in seconds without any reference]
Ok the trick here to draw goodlines is too zoom in
[Proceeds to draw the damn thing in really good and quick proper lines not even touching the zoom button]
Ok but you also shouldn't zoom in to draw faster
Mistakes are ok!
[Flawlessly draws said mech and is already on the part of drawing an anime girl driving the thing]
Try out different brushes
[Uses the same damn brush]
Thank you for watching my video, And hopefully you have gathered something along the way!
[Already completes a literal master piece]

While I'm sitting my ass tryna draw proper circles and lines on far away only for them to end up wobbly.

Here's my personal advice don't focus on making perfect lines, and it's better to overshoot and erase the line a bit or don't complete the line in terms of round shapes especially since they just there for construction.

At 2/23/23 12:56 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:[Starts with CS or Photoshop opened up]
Hey guys today I'm going to show you, How to draw properly, Now first to start it off, You need to use references, And cut the thing to basic shapes
[Proceeds to already draw some weird ass shape and and a complicated body in seconds without any reference]
Ok the trick here to draw goodlines is too zoom in
[Proceeds to draw the damn thing in really good and quick proper lines not even touching the zoom button]
Ok but you also shouldn't zoom in to draw faster
Mistakes are ok!
[Flawlessly draws said mech and is already on the part of drawing an anime girl driving the thing]
Try out different brushes
[Uses the same damn brush]
Thank you for watching my video, And hopefully you have gathered something along the way!
[Already completes a literal master piece]

While I'm sitting my ass tryna draw proper circles and lines on far away only for them to end up wobbly.

At 2/23/23 05:04 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:

At 2/23/23 02:25 PM, Acfusion wrote:

At 2/23/23 12:56 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:[Starts with CS or Photoshop opened up]
Hey guys today I'm going to show you, How to draw properly, Now first to start it off, You need to use references, And cut the thing to basic shapes
[Proceeds to already draw some weird ass shape and and a complicated body in seconds without any reference]
Ok the trick here to draw goodlines is too zoom in
[Proceeds to draw the damn thing in really good and quick proper lines not even touching the zoom button]
Ok but you also shouldn't zoom in to draw faster
Mistakes are ok!
[Flawlessly draws said mech and is already on the part of drawing an anime girl driving the thing]
Try out different brushes
[Uses the same damn brush]
Thank you for watching my video, And hopefully you have gathered something along the way!
[Already completes a literal master piece]

While I'm sitting my ass tryna draw proper circles and lines on far away only for them to end up wobbly.

Here's my personal advice don't focus on making perfect lines, and it's better to overshoot and erase the line a bit or don't complete the line in terms of round shapes especially since they just there for construction.

But I mean then my line art will look ugly.

At 2/24/23 12:21 AM, Marckel wrote:

At 2/23/23 12:56 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:[Starts with CS or Photoshop opened up]
Hey guys today I'm going to show you, How to draw properly, Now first to start it off, You need to use references, And cut the thing to basic shapes
[Proceeds to already draw some weird ass shape and and a complicated body in seconds without any reference]
Ok the trick here to draw goodlines is too zoom in
[Proceeds to draw the damn thing in really good and quick proper lines not even touching the zoom button]
Ok but you also shouldn't zoom in to draw faster
Mistakes are ok!
[Flawlessly draws said mech and is already on the part of drawing an anime girl driving the thing]
Try out different brushes
[Uses the same damn brush]
Thank you for watching my video, And hopefully you have gathered something along the way!
[Already completes a literal master piece]

While I'm sitting my ass tryna draw proper circles and lines on far away only for them to end up wobbly.

Easy answer is because they're not meant for you. These videos you mention are meant for people who already know how to draw and just want to draw better. They won't describe every single thought process behind the techniques that they use. If you have trouble drawing circles and lines, then you'll need to learn the fundamentals of drawing itself. Why not learn from something that teaches the basics like Drawabox?

At 2/24/23 09:04 AM, EN1GMAT1C wrote:

At 2/24/23 12:21 AM, Marckel wrote:

At 2/23/23 12:56 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:[Starts with CS or Photoshop opened up]
Hey guys today I'm going to show you, How to draw properly, Now first to start it off, You need to use references, And cut the thing to basic shapes
[Proceeds to already draw some weird ass shape and and a complicated body in seconds without any reference]
Ok the trick here to draw goodlines is too zoom in
[Proceeds to draw the damn thing in really good and quick proper lines not even touching the zoom button]
Ok but you also shouldn't zoom in to draw faster
Mistakes are ok!
[Flawlessly draws said mech and is already on the part of drawing an anime girl driving the thing]
Try out different brushes
[Uses the same damn brush]
Thank you for watching my video, And hopefully you have gathered something along the way!
[Already completes a literal master piece]

While I'm sitting my ass tryna draw proper circles and lines on far away only for them to end up wobbly.

Easy answer is because they're not meant for you. These videos you mention are meant for people who already know how to draw and just want to draw better. They won't describe every single thought process behind the techniques that they use. If you have trouble drawing circles and lines, then you'll need to learn the fundamentals of drawing itself. Why not learn from something that teaches the basics like Drawabox?

^ This. I second this! I'm actually doing the DrawaBox lessons myself and can attest that this seriously puts you to work. They teach how to draw with your shoulder (which should be the proper way), all the basics of drawing shape construction, the thoughts and reasoning behind the process and how to draw your lines and with confidence. Don't overthink it, just do it.

At 2/24/23 12:21 AM, Marckel wrote:

At 2/23/23 12:56 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:[Starts with CS or Photoshop opened up]
Hey guys today I'm going to show you, How to draw properly, Now first to start it off, You need to use references, And cut the thing to basic shapes
[Proceeds to already draw some weird ass shape and and a complicated body in seconds without any reference]
Ok the trick here to draw goodlines is too zoom in
[Proceeds to draw the damn thing in really good and quick proper lines not even touching the zoom button]
Ok but you also shouldn't zoom in to draw faster
Mistakes are ok!
[Flawlessly draws said mech and is already on the part of drawing an anime girl driving the thing]
Try out different brushes
[Uses the same damn brush]
Thank you for watching my video, And hopefully you have gathered something along the way!
[Already completes a literal master piece]

While I'm sitting my ass tryna draw proper circles and lines on far away only for them to end up wobbly.

Easy answer is because they're not meant for you. These videos you mention are meant for people who already know how to draw and just want to draw better. They won't describe every single thought process behind the techniques that they use. If you have trouble drawing circles and lines, then you'll need to learn the fundamentals of drawing itself. Why not learn from something that teaches the basics like Drawabox?

At 2/24/23 09:21 AM, OnixDark wrote:

At 2/24/23 12:21 AM, Marckel wrote:

At 2/23/23 12:56 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:[Starts with CS or Photoshop opened up]
Hey guys today I'm going to show you, How to draw properly, Now first to start it off, You need to use references, And cut the thing to basic shapes
[Proceeds to already draw some weird ass shape and and a complicated body in seconds without any reference]
Ok the trick here to draw goodlines is too zoom in
[Proceeds to draw the damn thing in really good and quick proper lines not even touching the zoom button]
Ok but you also shouldn't zoom in to draw faster
Mistakes are ok!
[Flawlessly draws said mech and is already on the part of drawing an anime girl driving the thing]
Try out different brushes
[Uses the same damn brush]
Thank you for watching my video, And hopefully you have gathered something along the way!
[Already completes a literal master piece]

While I'm sitting my ass tryna draw proper circles and lines on far away only for them to end up wobbly.

Easy answer is because they're not meant for you. These videos you mention are meant for people who already know how to draw and just want to draw better. They won't describe every single thought process behind the techniques that they use. If you have trouble drawing circles and lines, then you'll need to learn the fundamentals of drawing itself. Why not learn from something that teaches the basics like Drawabox?

that would not be a problem if the videos advertised themselves as being meant for advanced artists instead of decieving potential viewers into thinking they're meant for beginers. the algorythm showing those types of videos instead of actual beginer tips to somebody who never looked those up before (and the engine knows if you never looked them up before) doesn't help.
not to mention most of the so-called tutorials I've seen suffer from what I call "Hawaii syndrome": instead of teaching the viewer how to do something (which is what you should be required by law to do if you labeled your video a tutorial), they just show off "how I do this". if they named the video "how I draw a landscape", I wouldn't mind it, but they name it "landscape tutorial" when their video is no tutorial!

I wanted to put the stuff below in a quotebox but the formating isn't helping:
-----
tutorial
too͞-tôr′ē-əl, tyoo͞-
adjective
noun
-----
TL;DR, if you're not providing INSTRUCTIONS, do not name your video a tutorial.

At 2/24/23 12:26 AM, Acfusion wrote:

At 2/23/23 05:04 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:

At 2/23/23 02:25 PM, Acfusion wrote:
Here's my personal advice don't focus on making perfect lines, and it's better to overshoot and erase the line a bit or don't complete the line in terms of round shapes especially since they just there for construction.

But I mean then my line art will look ugly.

What do you mean ugly ? that's how most people ink their work. it's better to do that than just constantly retrying the same line stroke for several minutes for that perfect line,

At 2/24/23 10:14 AM, sincronikon wrote:

At 2/24/23 12:26 AM, Acfusion wrote:

At 2/23/23 05:04 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:

At 2/23/23 02:25 PM, Acfusion wrote:
Here's my personal advice don't focus on making perfect lines, and it's better to overshoot and erase the line a bit or don't complete the line in terms of round shapes especially since they just there for construction.

But I mean then my line art will look ugly.

What do you mean ugly ? that's how most people ink their work. it's better to do that than just constantly retrying the same line stroke for several minutes for that perfect line,

@Acfusion clearly knows what's going on. I see this insane insistence on making perfect lines... but the reality is, almost nobody does that outside of manga!

Gary Larson didn't make perfect lines; absolutely none of the DC comics were drawn with perfect lines; and I don't know of a single successful artist who uses lines for anything other than anime style, construction, and/or emphasis.

We're seeing a massive influx of artists from all over the place, and they all want to emulate manga, but that's a skill which takes decades to develop. I agree, @DerangedKnite 's stuff is far from ugly! Some of the requests I've had here on NG are downright ridiculous, so this person has nothing to worry about. I think they just need to let themselves make a bigger mess, and as was mentioned earlier, learn to erase the ineffective parts! It's better to throw down dozens of bad lines and then re-shape them, than it is to stress over motor control.

At 2/24/23 12:26 AM, Acfusion wrote:

At 2/23/23 05:04 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:

At 2/23/23 02:25 PM, Acfusion wrote:

At 2/23/23 12:56 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:[Starts with CS or Photoshop opened up]
Hey guys today I'm going to show you, How to draw properly, Now first to start it off, You need to use references, And cut the thing to basic shapes
[Proceeds to already draw some weird ass shape and and a complicated body in seconds without any reference]
Ok the trick here to draw goodlines is too zoom in
[Proceeds to draw the damn thing in really good and quick proper lines not even touching the zoom button]
Ok but you also shouldn't zoom in to draw faster
Mistakes are ok!
[Flawlessly draws said mech and is already on the part of drawing an anime girl driving the thing]
Try out different brushes
[Uses the same damn brush]
Thank you for watching my video, And hopefully you have gathered something along the way!
[Already completes a literal master piece]

While I'm sitting my ass tryna draw proper circles and lines on far away only for them to end up wobbly.

Here's my personal advice don't focus on making perfect lines, and it's better to overshoot and erase the line a bit or don't complete the line in terms of round shapes especially since they just there for construction.

But I mean then my line art will look ugly.

What do you mean ugly ? that's how most people ink their work. it's better to do that than just constantly retrying the same line stroke for several minutes for that perfect line,

At 2/24/23 09:19 AM, DerangedKnite wrote:I'm already doing drawabox heck I even complicated that 100 boxes thing. Which was let me tell you this. I'm starting to draw boxes for no absolute reason. And without any thinking at all. Honestly i might just do drawabox but Not send my sheets of paper.

At 2/24/23 11:15 AM, EN1GMAT1C wrote:

At 2/24/23 09:19 AM, DerangedKnite wrote:I'm already doing drawabox heck I even complicated that 100 boxes thing. Which was let me tell you this. I'm starting to draw boxes for no absolute reason. And without any thinking at all. Honestly i might just do drawabox but Not send my sheets of paper.

I'd say turn in your homework anyway so you can get feedback for improvement. If you were doing Drawabox before, but still wondering how people draw magically in their videos, then you're not quite grasping all the basics to understand how they get there.

Edit: Well damn, people reply faster than me (lol, cuz im at work). But yea, like wat people said, make a mess, make mistakes, draw without caring about your lines, no hesitation. You're supposed to have fun while you're learning!

At 2/24/23 09:21 AM, OnixDark wrote:

At 2/24/23 12:21 AM, Marckel wrote:

At 2/23/23 12:56 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:[Starts with CS or Photoshop opened up]
Hey guys today I'm going to show you, How to draw properly, Now first to start it off, You need to use references, And cut the thing to basic shapes
[Proceeds to already draw some weird ass shape and and a complicated body in seconds without any reference]
Ok the trick here to draw goodlines is too zoom in
[Proceeds to draw the damn thing in really good and quick proper lines not even touching the zoom button]
Ok but you also shouldn't zoom in to draw faster
Mistakes are ok!
[Flawlessly draws said mech and is already on the part of drawing an anime girl driving the thing]
Try out different brushes
[Uses the same damn brush]
Thank you for watching my video, And hopefully you have gathered something along the way!
[Already completes a literal master piece]

While I'm sitting my ass tryna draw proper circles and lines on far away only for them to end up wobbly.

Easy answer is because they're not meant for you. These videos you mention are meant for people who already know how to draw and just want to draw better. They won't describe every single thought process behind the techniques that they use. If you have trouble drawing circles and lines, then you'll need to learn the fundamentals of drawing itself. Why not learn from something that teaches the basics like Drawabox?

that would not be a problem if the videos advertised themselves as being meant for advanced artists instead of decieving potential viewers into thinking they're meant for beginers. the algorythm showing those types of videos instead of actual beginer tips to somebody who never looked those up before (and the engine knows if you never looked them up before) doesn't help.
not to mention most of the so-called tutorials I've seen suffer from what I call "Hawaii syndrome": instead of teaching the viewer how to do something (which is what you should be required by law to do if you labeled your video a tutorial), they just show off "how I do this". if they named the video "how I draw a landscape", I wouldn't mind it, but they name it "landscape tutorial" when their video is no tutorial!

I wanted to put the stuff below in a quotebox but the formating isn't helping:
-----
tutorial
too͞-tôr′ē-əl, tyoo͞-
adjective
noun
-----
TL;DR, if you're not providing INSTRUCTIONS, do not name your video a tutorial.

At 2/24/23 10:09 PM, Marckel wrote:

At 2/24/23 09:21 AM, OnixDark wrote:

At 2/24/23 12:21 AM, Marckel wrote:

At 2/23/23 12:56 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:[Starts with CS or Photoshop opened up]
Hey guys today I'm going to show you, How to draw properly, Now first to start it off, You need to use references, And cut the thing to basic shapes
[Proceeds to already draw some weird ass shape and and a complicated body in seconds without any reference]
Ok the trick here to draw goodlines is too zoom in
[Proceeds to draw the damn thing in really good and quick proper lines not even touching the zoom button]
Ok but you also shouldn't zoom in to draw faster
Mistakes are ok!
[Flawlessly draws said mech and is already on the part of drawing an anime girl driving the thing]
Try out different brushes
[Uses the same damn brush]
Thank you for watching my video, And hopefully you have gathered something along the way!
[Already completes a literal master piece]

While I'm sitting my ass tryna draw proper circles and lines on far away only for them to end up wobbly.

Easy answer is because they're not meant for you. These videos you mention are meant for people who already know how to draw and just want to draw better. They won't describe every single thought process behind the techniques that they use. If you have trouble drawing circles and lines, then you'll need to learn the fundamentals of drawing itself. Why not learn from something that teaches the basics like Drawabox?

that would not be a problem if the videos advertised themselves as being meant for advanced artists instead of decieving potential viewers into thinking they're meant for beginers. the algorythm showing those types of videos instead of actual beginer tips to somebody who never looked those up before (and the engine knows if you never looked them up before) doesn't help.
not to mention most of the so-called tutorials I've seen suffer from what I call "Hawaii syndrome": instead of teaching the viewer how to do something (which is what you should be required by law to do if you labeled your video a tutorial), they just show off "how I do this". if they named the video "how I draw a landscape", I wouldn't mind it, but they name it "landscape tutorial" when their video is no tutorial!

I wanted to put the stuff below in a quotebox but the formating isn't helping:
-----
tutorial
too͞-tôr′ē-əl, tyoo͞-
adjective
noun
-----
TL;DR, if you're not providing INSTRUCTIONS, do not name your video a tutorial.

You're arguing semantics, which I don't disagree with. I don't like it either when a video is misleading/mistitled. Unfortunately, that's just how Youtube works nowadays. You must win the algorithm game or lose all views. The best strategy to do that is of course through clickbait tactics and because everyone is doing it, anyone not doing it is drowned out, leading them to eventually conform, and create a vicious cycle of more and more clickbait content.

Another thing I want to mention is the majority of "tutorial" makers are not teachers. As someone who has recently completed certification for language teaching, I have come to understand that being a master at a skill does not equate at all to being a good teacher. What you need to find in a good tutorial is a person who is excellent at teaching, instead of just being good at art without knowing how to explain themselves. This is hard to do, thus the reason I advised just doing Drawabox or something. If you can't find anyone to teach you, learn how to learn correctly. It's essential to avoid getting frustrated with yourself for lack of progress.

At 2/25/23 01:29 AM, Narratorway wrote:Because artists are by nature the most insecure motherfuckers you will ever meet. They will babble on about 'imposter syndrome' on social media while prepared to shriek their resume at any who dare question their standing. The need for validation sometimes feels like it has the severity of drug addicts and 'tutorial' videos like what you describe are just another easy way to obtain it.

Hell, AI art developing the way it has is irrefutably a morally indefensible travesty and is being rightfully fought against, but the nature of that response from artists, the motivation for it, the sheer level of vitriol...they all make plain the source of this animosity is because it hits directly at the heart of every artists' deepest fear: that every thing they value in what they do...had no real value to begin with.

At 2/25/23 02:15 AM, Acfusion wrote:I see a lot of buthurt projection on your end.

Also on the talk about A.I art, cut the BS not every artist is like this the main the motivation why almost every artist is against this that it is threat to everyone's livelihood in general and people have the right to be against it for that reason. it looks like you are saying this coming from a very spiteful place ironically enough calling out artists about vitriolic.

At 2/25/23 02:55 AM, Narratorway wrote:

At 2/25/23 02:15 AM, Acfusion wrote:I see a lot of buthurt projection on your end.

Also on the talk about A.I art, cut the BS not every artist is like this the main the motivation why almost every artist is against this that it is threat to everyone's livelihood in general and people have the right to be against it for that reason. it looks like you are saying this coming from a very spiteful place ironically enough calling out artists about vitriolic.

At 2/25/23 03:31 AM, Narratorway wrote:

At 2/25/23 03:08 AM, Acfusion wrote:Bitch please you wish you are viewed like that.

All I see is some spiteful asshat projecting on others and it's nothing to do the topic at hand it's looks like you just looking for excuse for shitting on others.

At 2/24/23 10:09 PM, Marckel wrote:

At 2/24/23 09:21 AM, OnixDark wrote:

At 2/24/23 12:21 AM, Marckel wrote:

At 2/23/23 12:56 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:[Starts with CS or Photoshop opened up]
Hey guys today I'm going to show you, How to draw properly, Now first to start it off, You need to use references, And cut the thing to basic shapes
[Proceeds to already draw some weird ass shape and and a complicated body in seconds without any reference]
Ok the trick here to draw goodlines is too zoom in
[Proceeds to draw the damn thing in really good and quick proper lines not even touching the zoom button]
Ok but you also shouldn't zoom in to draw faster
Mistakes are ok!
[Flawlessly draws said mech and is already on the part of drawing an anime girl driving the thing]
Try out different brushes
[Uses the same damn brush]
Thank you for watching my video, And hopefully you have gathered something along the way!
[Already completes a literal master piece]

While I'm sitting my ass tryna draw proper circles and lines on far away only for them to end up wobbly.

Easy answer is because they're not meant for you. These videos you mention are meant for people who already know how to draw and just want to draw better. They won't describe every single thought process behind the techniques that they use. If you have trouble drawing circles and lines, then you'll need to learn the fundamentals of drawing itself. Why not learn from something that teaches the basics like Drawabox?

that would not be a problem if the videos advertised themselves as being meant for advanced artists instead of decieving potential viewers into thinking they're meant for beginers. the algorythm showing those types of videos instead of actual beginer tips to somebody who never looked those up before (and the engine knows if you never looked them up before) doesn't help.
not to mention most of the so-called tutorials I've seen suffer from what I call "Hawaii syndrome": instead of teaching the viewer how to do something (which is what you should be required by law to do if you labeled your video a tutorial), they just show off "how I do this". if they named the video "how I draw a landscape", I wouldn't mind it, but they name it "landscape tutorial" when their video is no tutorial!

I wanted to put the stuff below in a quotebox but the formating isn't helping:
-----
tutorial
too͞-tôr′ē-əl, tyoo͞-
adjective
noun
-----
TL;DR, if you're not providing INSTRUCTIONS, do not name your video a tutorial.

You're arguing semantics, which I don't disagree with. I don't like it either when a video is misleading/mistitled. Unfortunately, that's just how Youtube works nowadays. You must win the algorithm game or lose all views. The best strategy to do that is of course through clickbait tactics and because everyone is doing it, anyone not doing it is drowned out, leading them to eventually conform, and create a vicious cycle of more and more clickbait content.

Another thing I want to mention is the majority of "tutorial" makers are not teachers. As someone who has recently completed certification for language teaching, I have come to understand that being a master at a skill does not equate at all to being a good teacher. What you need to find in a good tutorial is a person who is excellent at teaching, instead of just being good at art without knowing how to explain themselves. This is hard to do, thus the reason I advised just doing Drawabox or something. If you can't find anyone to teach you, learn how to learn correctly. It's essential to avoid getting frustrated with yourself for lack of progress.

At 2/25/23 10:19 AM, OnixDark wrote:

At 2/24/23 10:09 PM, Marckel wrote:

At 2/24/23 09:21 AM, OnixDark wrote:

At 2/24/23 12:21 AM, Marckel wrote:

At 2/23/23 12:56 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:[Starts with CS or Photoshop opened up]
Hey guys today I'm going to show you, How to draw properly, Now first to start it off, You need to use references, And cut the thing to basic shapes
[Proceeds to already draw some weird ass shape and and a complicated body in seconds without any reference]
Ok the trick here to draw goodlines is too zoom in
[Proceeds to draw the damn thing in really good and quick proper lines not even touching the zoom button]
Ok but you also shouldn't zoom in to draw faster
Mistakes are ok!
[Flawlessly draws said mech and is already on the part of drawing an anime girl driving the thing]
Try out different brushes
[Uses the same damn brush]
Thank you for watching my video, And hopefully you have gathered something along the way!
[Already completes a literal master piece]

While I'm sitting my ass tryna draw proper circles and lines on far away only for them to end up wobbly.

Easy answer is because they're not meant for you. These videos you mention are meant for people who already know how to draw and just want to draw better. They won't describe every single thought process behind the techniques that they use. If you have trouble drawing circles and lines, then you'll need to learn the fundamentals of drawing itself. Why not learn from something that teaches the basics like Drawabox?

that would not be a problem if the videos advertised themselves as being meant for advanced artists instead of decieving potential viewers into thinking they're meant for beginers. the algorythm showing those types of videos instead of actual beginer tips to somebody who never looked those up before (and the engine knows if you never looked them up before) doesn't help.
not to mention most of the so-called tutorials I've seen suffer from what I call "Hawaii syndrome": instead of teaching the viewer how to do something (which is what you should be required by law to do if you labeled your video a tutorial), they just show off "how I do this". if they named the video "how I draw a landscape", I wouldn't mind it, but they name it "landscape tutorial" when their video is no tutorial!

I wanted to put the stuff below in a quotebox but the formating isn't helping:
-----
tutorial
too͞-tôr′ē-əl, tyoo͞-
adjective
noun
-----
TL;DR, if you're not providing INSTRUCTIONS, do not name your video a tutorial.

You're arguing semantics, which I don't disagree with. I don't like it either when a video is misleading/mistitled. Unfortunately, that's just how Youtube works nowadays. You must win the algorithm game or lose all views. The best strategy to do that is of course through clickbait tactics and because everyone is doing it, anyone not doing it is drowned out, leading them to eventually conform, and create a vicious cycle of more and more clickbait content.

Another thing I want to mention is the majority of "tutorial" makers are not teachers. As someone who has recently completed certification for language teaching, I have come to understand that being a master at a skill does not equate at all to being a good teacher. What you need to find in a good tutorial is a person who is excellent at teaching, instead of just being good at art without knowing how to explain themselves. This is hard to do, thus the reason I advised just doing Drawabox or something. If you can't find anyone to teach you, learn how to learn correctly. It's essential to avoid getting frustrated with yourself for lack of progress.

so true. specially the 2nd half. some people have advised against taking advice from people who are unskilled, but I personally preffer following the advice of someone who can't draw stickmen, but is a great teacher than the advice of someone who draws like a god but can't teach how to pick a color. I'm just glad there are actual tutorials in the middle of the mess, though. (such as drawbox and a few others shared in the tutorial master thread) I wish those people weren't drowned by the algorithm, but what can we do, right? x_X

At 2/25/23 07:43 PM, Acfusion wrote:

At 2/25/23 10:19 AM, OnixDark wrote:

At 2/24/23 10:09 PM, Marckel wrote:

At 2/24/23 09:21 AM, OnixDark wrote:

At 2/24/23 12:21 AM, Marckel wrote:

At 2/23/23 12:56 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:[Starts with CS or Photoshop opened up]
Hey guys today I'm going to show you, How to draw properly, Now first to start it off, You need to use references, And cut the thing to basic shapes
[Proceeds to already draw some weird ass shape and and a complicated body in seconds without any reference]
Ok the trick here to draw goodlines is too zoom in
[Proceeds to draw the damn thing in really good and quick proper lines not even touching the zoom button]
Ok but you also shouldn't zoom in to draw faster
Mistakes are ok!
[Flawlessly draws said mech and is already on the part of drawing an anime girl driving the thing]
Try out different brushes
[Uses the same damn brush]
Thank you for watching my video, And hopefully you have gathered something along the way!
[Already completes a literal master piece]

While I'm sitting my ass tryna draw proper circles and lines on far away only for them to end up wobbly.

Easy answer is because they're not meant for you. These videos you mention are meant for people who already know how to draw and just want to draw better. They won't describe every single thought process behind the techniques that they use. If you have trouble drawing circles and lines, then you'll need to learn the fundamentals of drawing itself. Why not learn from something that teaches the basics like Drawabox?

that would not be a problem if the videos advertised themselves as being meant for advanced artists instead of decieving potential viewers into thinking they're meant for beginers. the algorythm showing those types of videos instead of actual beginer tips to somebody who never looked those up before (and the engine knows if you never looked them up before) doesn't help.
not to mention most of the so-called tutorials I've seen suffer from what I call "Hawaii syndrome": instead of teaching the viewer how to do something (which is what you should be required by law to do if you labeled your video a tutorial), they just show off "how I do this". if they named the video "how I draw a landscape", I wouldn't mind it, but they name it "landscape tutorial" when their video is no tutorial!

I wanted to put the stuff below in a quotebox but the formating isn't helping:
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tutorial
too͞-tôr′ē-əl, tyoo͞-
adjective
noun
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TL;DR, if you're not providing INSTRUCTIONS, do not name your video a tutorial.

You're arguing semantics, which I don't disagree with. I don't like it either when a video is misleading/mistitled. Unfortunately, that's just how Youtube works nowadays. You must win the algorithm game or lose all views. The best strategy to do that is of course through clickbait tactics and because everyone is doing it, anyone not doing it is drowned out, leading them to eventually conform, and create a vicious cycle of more and more clickbait content.

Another thing I want to mention is the majority of "tutorial" makers are not teachers. As someone who has recently completed certification for language teaching, I have come to understand that being a master at a skill does not equate at all to being a good teacher. What you need to find in a good tutorial is a person who is excellent at teaching, instead of just being good at art without knowing how to explain themselves. This is hard to do, thus the reason I advised just doing Drawabox or something. If you can't find anyone to teach you, learn how to learn correctly. It's essential to avoid getting frustrated with yourself for lack of progress.

so true. specially the 2nd half. some people have advised against taking advice from people who are unskilled, but I personally preffer following the advice of someone who can't draw stickmen, but is a great teacher than the advice of someone who draws like a god but can't teach how to pick a color. I'm just glad there are actual tutorials in the middle of the mess, though. (such as drawbox and a few others shared in the tutorial master thread) I wish those people weren't drowned by the algorithm, but what can we do, right? x_X

Here's my thing though a tutorial doesn't always mean beginner friendly and none of the tutorial videos I saw at least in my experience try to frame themselves as a teacher they just explain themselves how they approach things in a particular subject most tutorials aren't trying to be replacements of a full on research or school education. I feel like most you guys in the thread expect them to go literally step by step on how to do things which the problem with that is it ends up making a very bloated video with redundant information, if you are having trouble even doing basic shapes consistently than why the heck are looking at tutorial videos on how to perspective or trying to learn anatomy when you don't know how to properly break things down into shapes.

The only thing I agree is that it doesn't feels like terms and words are curated just to make sure it pass through the algorithm, but that's of a Youtube issue not an artist issue blame the system the website uses to promote videos not the person who just want their content to be seen.

At 2/26/23 10:49 AM, OnixDark wrote:

At 2/25/23 07:43 PM, Acfusion wrote:

At 2/25/23 10:19 AM, OnixDark wrote:

At 2/24/23 10:09 PM, Marckel wrote:

At 2/24/23 09:21 AM, OnixDark wrote:

At 2/24/23 12:21 AM, Marckel wrote:

At 2/23/23 12:56 PM, DerangedKnite wrote:[Starts with CS or Photoshop opened up]
Hey guys today I'm going to show you, How to draw properly, Now first to start it off, You need to use references, And cut the thing to basic shapes
[Proceeds to already draw some weird ass shape and and a complicated body in seconds without any reference]
Ok the trick here to draw goodlines is too zoom in
[Proceeds to draw the damn thing in really good and quick proper lines not even touching the zoom button]
Ok but you also shouldn't zoom in to draw faster
Mistakes are ok!
[Flawlessly draws said mech and is already on the part of drawing an anime girl driving the thing]
Try out different brushes
[Uses the same damn brush]
Thank you for watching my video, And hopefully you have gathered something along the way!
[Already completes a literal master piece]

While I'm sitting my ass tryna draw proper circles and lines on far away only for them to end up wobbly.

Easy answer is because they're not meant for you. These videos you mention are meant for people who already know how to draw and just want to draw better. They won't describe every single thought process behind the techniques that they use. If you have trouble drawing circles and lines, then you'll need to learn the fundamentals of drawing itself. Why not learn from something that teaches the basics like Drawabox?

that would not be a problem if the videos advertised themselves as being meant for advanced artists instead of decieving potential viewers into thinking they're meant for beginers. the algorythm showing those types of videos instead of actual beginer tips to somebody who never looked those up before (and the engine knows if you never looked them up before) doesn't help.
not to mention most of the so-called tutorials I've seen suffer from what I call "Hawaii syndrome": instead of teaching the viewer how to do something (which is what you should be required by law to do if you labeled your video a tutorial), they just show off "how I do this". if they named the video "how I draw a landscape", I wouldn't mind it, but they name it "landscape tutorial" when their video is no tutorial!

I wanted to put the stuff below in a quotebox but the formating isn't helping:
-----
tutorial
too͞-tôr′ē-əl, tyoo͞-
adjective
noun
-----
TL;DR, if you're not providing INSTRUCTIONS, do not name your video a tutorial.

You're arguing semantics, which I don't disagree with. I don't like it either when a video is misleading/mistitled. Unfortunately, that's just how Youtube works nowadays. You must win the algorithm game or lose all views. The best strategy to do that is of course through clickbait tactics and because everyone is doing it, anyone not doing it is drowned out, leading them to eventually conform, and create a vicious cycle of more and more clickbait content.

Another thing I want to mention is the majority of "tutorial" makers are not teachers. As someone who has recently completed certification for language teaching, I have come to understand that being a master at a skill does not equate at all to being a good teacher. What you need to find in a good tutorial is a person who is excellent at teaching, instead of just being good at art without knowing how to explain themselves. This is hard to do, thus the reason I advised just doing Drawabox or something. If you can't find anyone to teach you, learn how to learn correctly. It's essential to avoid getting frustrated with yourself for lack of progress.

so true. specially the 2nd half. some people have advised against taking advice from people who are unskilled, but I personally preffer following the advice of someone who can't draw stickmen, but is a great teacher than the advice of someone who draws like a god but can't teach how to pick a color. I'm just glad there are actual tutorials in the middle of the mess, though. (such as drawbox and a few others shared in the tutorial master thread) I wish those people weren't drowned by the algorithm, but what can we do, right? x_X

Here's my thing though a tutorial doesn't always mean beginner friendly and none of the tutorial videos I saw at least in my experience try to frame themselves as a teacher they just explain themselves how they approach things in a particular subject most tutorials aren't trying to be replacements of a full on research or school education. I feel like most you guys in the thread expect them to go literally step by step on how to do things which the problem with that is it ends up making a very bloated video with redundant information, if you are having trouble even doing basic shapes consistently than why the heck are looking at tutorial videos on how to perspective or trying to learn anatomy when you don't know how to properly break things down into shapes.

The only thing I agree is that it doesn't feels like terms and words are curated just to make sure it pass through the algorithm, but that's of a Youtube issue not an artist issue blame the system the website uses to promote videos not the person who just want their content to be seen.

agreed. we're not complaining about people who at least bother to explain how they approach things, even if they're beginer unfriendly. we're complaining about people who post speed paints with unrelated audio comments across it, whose end result looks like they simply traced their reference (we know they didn't because they were showing off) and call it a tutorial. if I could learn from a speed paint, I'd just look for a speed paint and do reference reproductions, I'd not search a tutorial or a "how to draw".
but like you said, that's Youtube's fault. maybe this whole deal would be better if there was a site specific for art, that would make sure people's videos are seen for whatever it is they are, based off what the viewer is searching, but I guess wanting one such site is too much idealism...